And listen, you can’t judge a person’s sincerity. I’m sorry but Allah didn’t give you super man goggles to peer into someone’s heart with. There are some really religious sincere Christians and Jews out there who have not been properly exposed to Islam. It may be that they are better than some Muslims because the Muslim has the guidance but might not follow it. And so if we can unite with a nonMuslim for a good cause, why can we not unite with our brother in faith? Perhaps Yasir Qadhi is sincere. God knows, not you. Perhaps many wahhabi views may be kufr. Mumkin. But perhaps if the wahhabi is believing in it because he sincerely thinks it is the truth and has not been guided otherwise, perhaps he is better than someone who is on the truth but is arrogant. At least they’ll have something to say on the day of judgement when they meet God, most High.
Get a grip bro. Get. a. grip.
May God guide you, myself and humanity collectively.

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could you name some of the scholars that you follow?

Zaid Shakir (barring someone playing with the audio) used the phrase in two ISNA conference lectures–in 2006 and 2007. Both of these videos have subsequently been taken down from YouTube (i kinda think the reason being is that i posted the vids exposing his statement on several blogs–for the videos had been on line for more than a year). Regarding the denial of a verse, he’s guilty of that as well in an interview with Bill Moyers. You can start at 12:40:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06222007/watch2.html

Granted the issue is sensitive–but at the same time a (genuine) Muslim scholar does not call a Muslim a “pathological maniac” for abiding by what Allah made permissible in the Qur’an. The point is that these personalities are willing to outright LIE and distort the Religion to make the Deen more in compliance with the values that happen to be trendy today in secular humanism. This indicates that they are NOT scholars and they cannot be relied upon for judgments–or to even stand up and defend the Deen of Allah.

With Allah is the success.

It has nothing to do with cowardice–it’s about being able to stay on point. This is not a thread about the Ahbash group. It’s about the fact that those who follow traditional Islamic scholarship cannot unite with Wahhabis under the banner of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jama`ah. The Sunnis and Wahhabis have two different beliefs. One is correct–the other is kufr.

A mujassimah is a kaafir–whether he claims to be a Sunni or a Shi`ah. Whoever claims that the mujassimah are not kaafir would himself be a kaafir. Now, ask yourself, who is presently causing more harm to Ahlus-Sunnah: the Wahhabi anthropomorphists or the Nusayri anthropomorphists? Personally, i have never encountered a Nusayri calling people to their doctrine. I’ve never met a person from a Sunni family who converted to Nusayrism…. Shoot, i have never met a Nusayri. Period. On the other hand, there are THOUSANDS of books on the market promoting the Wahhabi doctrine. I’ve met far too many Wahhabis on the web and in person. And you have entire groups of people calling themselves Sunnis who are getting infected by the Wahhabi plague (such as, many of the Somalis–and African-Americans).

I would assume that the Habashis are simply playing one group of deviants off against the other. That’s all about politics and survival in the Middle East. The Syrian government probably sees the Ahbash as a buffer between the Qutbis and Wahhabis, who will incite overthrowing the government; whereas, the Habashis use the Syrian regime to help spread traditional `Aqidah and bash the Qutbis and Wahhabis. One of the main talking points of the Ahbash is that the one who claims Allah occupies space is a kaafir–and certainly, we know that At-Tahawi said:

“Whoever ascribes to Allah a human characteristic is a disbeliever.”

From my understanding of the Nusayri creed, that would defintely include them among the kuffaar. I think that anyone one from the Ahbash would agree with that, and i’ve never heard that the Ahbash promote the doctrines of the Nusayris or say that they are acceptable. I know this doesn’t matter much to you, for you don’t care to discuss the real issues, but would rather introduce red herrings in an effort to confuse and distract folks from the matter at hand.

Jazakallah for your informative blog.

Do you have the mp3 link for the #18 Audio? I cannot seem to find it on the page.

Also, do you have links to the #1 and #2 audios?

Thanks

Here is a quote from his book wrongly entitled, The Fundamentals of Taweed on page 129 where he attempts to give a “logical proof” that Allah is literally above us:

“God must therefore be above His creation and distinct from it.”

And it is clear from what he has said for several pages in the book that he is talking about “aboveness” of direction and not of status.

This claim goes explicitly the saying of At-Tahawi in his `Aqidah of the Sunnis:

“Allah is supremely clear of all boundaries, extremities, sides, organs, devices, and appendages. NONE OF THE SIX DIRECTIONS contain Allah, as is the case with all the created things.”

I hope this clarifies this issue.